soc.women

On Feb 23, 1:01 pm, "R. Steve Walz" wrote:
> Thomas wrote:
>
> > On 2008-02-21, R. Steve Walz wrote:
> > >> Her remarks smack of the Hollywood "stars" who periodically decry how
> > > -----------------------------
> > > This isn't the sixties, many people now believe and understand that
> > > the USA, Inc. does many bad things if not closely monitored and watched.
>
> > Relevance?
>
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> Unlike the sixties, most people AGREE WITH HER!! Until the chance came
> to elect a woman or a black, or AT LEAST another democrat, many of us,
> to one degree or another, written off Amerika as a pig-shit fascist
> bully nation who won't grow up and which it might be better to try to
> bring down! Why do you think the democratic voter turn-out is
> skyrocketing???

Well-said... dissatisfaction with the status quo is part of any
reasonable position these days.

Interestingly, republican voter turn-out has skyrocketed
just as much as democratic. I think *neither* party has
been serving their constituencies well at all, and people
are feeling more motivated to throw their $ in for
change. Unfortunately, it appears as if it amounts to
simply a greater volume of the same old stupid votes
for the wrong people on both sides, which will not serve
any of us well with regards to improving anything.

> Everybody knew what she meant, we've all hated America while loving
> it for its better parts. Compared to heaven on earth most of us think
> the USA is a pretty sorry little piece of shit, but if we didn't want
> to stay and change it, we wouldn't bother.
>
> Quit being a little prick who acts like everybody has to LIKE America
> and what it's doing to have the right to live here, even if we were
> BORN here. The rest of the electorate is NOT here to live up to your
> sick jingoist fantasies of glory and conquest!

Again, well-said... particularly so because it applies
equally, whether said by true liberals or true conservatives.

I myself found Mrs. Obama's remark to seem fairly natural,
and was irritated that anyone made a big deal about
it - but definitely not so surprised when I reminded myself of
how stupid the tactics that the drive-by media and "politiks"
players employ... from that perspective, perhaps she might
have foreseen what others were likely to do with such a
remark, and perhaps everyone else should just be satisfied
with what she really meant instead of trying to leverage the
"twisting" of it for political gain.