soc.women

R. Steve Walz wrote:

> Vandar wrote:
>
>>R. Steve Walz wrote:
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>>>>>The adult notion of poor child memory doesn't withstand honest scrutiny.
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>>>>Yeah... "repressed memories" are real reliable.
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>>>Repressed memories are confabulated or imagined, memories that are
>>>supported by the recollections of family and others are not.
>>>
>>>Anyway, if humans really didn't remember their first year, then how
>>>to they remember how they learned to walk or talk?
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>>They don't.
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> Of course they do, or they COULDN'T walk or talk!

It's not something that needs to be remembered to be done. Barring
injury, it's not something one forgets.

>>>And if humans really didn't remember their first year, then that is
>>>an even stronger argument in favor of fetuses not being human!!
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>>Of course they are human. They certainly aren't part of any other
>>species. What they aren't are "persons".
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> Absolutely, but because they can't recall being BEINGS!

They aren't human beings, but they do belong to the human species.

>>>It suggests that if we had been killed the first year, we would
>>>never have even known it! Thus it wouldn't actually happen to
>>>"anybody".
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>>Riiiiight. Infants are conscious. That doesn't mean that we remember
>>what it was to be one. Even you don't remember your first year. No one does.
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> No, that's NOT true. Congitive research proves that we recall great
> portions of the first year, and the things we learned there, they just
> aren't indexed for easy retrieval as well, is all.

"We now know that infantile amnesia is a true amnesia, and the memories
were never stored in the first place. It's not that they are there and
can't be retrieved." - Dr. Lise Eliot, Chicago School of Medicine
/tools/sci_tech/biotek/

> But before the 4 to 6 week mark after birth, they find there is nothing
> more that is attributable. And experiment with infants shows they learn
> nothing before that which evidences a personality, they cannot find
> themselves in a mirror, understsnd humor, or anticipate a conditioned
> response as a personalized being does.

Terry Schiavo couldn't do those things either, but she was a person. As
I said previously, state of consciousness is irrelevant. Born, human,
and alive is all that matters.