soc.women

Ray Fischer wrote:
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> R. Steve Walz wrote:
> >Ray Fischer wrote:
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> >> R. Steve Walz wrote:
> >> >Ray Fischer wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> R. Steve Walz wrote:
> >> >> >Ray Fischer wrote:
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 07:32:48 -0700, "R. Steve Walz" wrote:
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> >> >> >> >>Maternity cannot be forced on women.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >You are mistaken. Fundy incest rapes occur.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >No woman ever forces any man into assuming paternity.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Aside from the obvious woman rape of men, women also can force
> >> >> >> paternity upon men by stealing sperm, lying about contraception,
> >> >> >> or simply choosing to give birth to a child the man doesn't want.
> >> >> >> Ray Fischer
> >> >> >> rfischer@
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> >> >> >NO sperm is "stolen" unless a woman drugs a man or steals it from
> >> >> >a condom when he isn't looking.
> >> >>
> >> >> Do you routinely make a claim and then refute it in a single sentence?
> >> >>
> >> >> > All other sperm HE controls, and
> >> >> >must pay for offspring from it.
> >> >>
> >> >> Why? Because women can't be responsible for their choices?
> >> >
> >> >No, but because, if she cannot correct it to HER satisfaction,
> >> >the man must take responsibility for HIS!!
> >>
> >> He doesn't choose to give birth to a child.
> >
> >Sure he does.
>
> You're a stupid liar. Only women are allowed to choose whether to give
> birth.
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No, without men's decision to fuck, women couldn't decide to give birth
no matter how hard they grunt.
Steve



> >> The child does not exist because of his action.
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> >Then you don't grasp biology.
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> Only women give birth, moron.
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But men determine whether she can.


> >> Further, men are not 2nd-class citizens subject to the whims of women.
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> >No, they are the first to decide to commit an act which can cause
> >or not cause the arrival of a child.
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> Blame the victim.
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Men aren't victims.


> I suppose you also blame women for allowing themselves to be raped?
> Ray Fischer
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Irrelevant. Unimportant to the issue here.
Steve