soc.women

On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 21:15:41 GMT, "PK" wrote:

>> I doubt it is the air breathed by Italians that puts their nationality
>> in fourth place in the rape statistics after those from Muslim
>> countries. But a reason there must be, unless it is argued that the
>> overrepresentation in rape statistics is purely random and next year
>> it could easily be Chinese, Tibetan Buddhists and Norweigans who top
>> the list.

>I was only being semi-flippant. There seems to be a congruence in
>geographical locations which given the amount of Muslim countries NOT on the
>list far outweighed the number who were, seemed as likely a starting point
>as any. Maybe it's a Phoenecian (sp?) thing?

Perhaps absolute numbers of each nationality is a parameter that needs
to be taken into account. Although there are indicators, and not just
from Sweden, which point to religious allegiance being a factor.

>Well.. is? Or is it something cultural in some countries? Or is it an effect
>of SOME proponents of that religion acting like chauvinistic twats, and some
>feeling any women outside of their religion can be treated as nothing more
>than sexual objects? Or is that cultural and nothing to do with Islam? I
>don't know.

I would think that culture definitly plays a role. There are other
male chauvinist cultures that regard women as objects besides Islam.
Within such a cultural context it is possible that rape statistics are
low simply because what we would regard as rape is just not recognised
as rape or simply considered by victims to be not worth reporting. If
large numbers of men from such cultures were put down in the middle of
Western Europe, as has happened with Islam, you might very well start
seeing the sort of things in regard to rape that are now being
reported.

>> But I don't see how suspecting that a lunatic misogynist superstition
>> might be creating a perverted mind set that spills over into action in
>> a small but disproportunate number of followers of that superstition
>> can be considered racist.

>I don't see how the above can be considered racist either. I'm not sure it's
>a wholly fair description of Islam - a lunatic fringe of it, that like most
>religious lunatic fringes seems to miss the central point, maybe.

I think it is tolerant Muslims who are missing the central point of
Mohammeds Message.

But I do think it is likely that men brought up inside an intolerant,
male chauvinist culture that represses women and mandates what they
should be like and how they should behave would show up in
disproportunatly large numbers in sexual offences statistics when
placed inside a liberal, secular culture where women are free, equal
individuals and who, in their eyes, look like painted, unbelieving
whores shamelessly flashing everything they have for anybody to grab.

>> Svenne

>Interesting nick ;.)

Jo, man kan vara vem man vill på internet.

Svenne