soc.women

On 9 Okt, 08:02, Svenne wrote:
> On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 21:15:41 GMT, "PK" wrote:
> >> I doubt it is the air breathed by Italians that puts their nationality
> >> in fourth place in the rape statistics after those from Muslim
> >> countries. But a reason there must be, unless it is argued that the
> >> overrepresentation in rape statistics is purely random and next year
> >> it could easily be Chinese, Tibetan Buddhists and Norweigans who top
> >> the list.
> >I was only being semi-flippant. There seems to be a congruence in
> >geographical locations which given the amount of Muslim countries NOT on=
the
> >list far outweighed the number who were, seemed as likely a starting poi=
nt
> >as any. Maybe it's a Phoenecian (sp?) thing?
>
> Perhaps absolute numbers of each nationality is a parameter that needs
> to be taken into account. Although there are indicators, and not just
> from Sweden, which point to religious allegiance being a factor.

Ah, but is it the religion or the alliegance?


>
> >Well.. is? Or is it something cultural in some countries? Or is it an ef=
fect
> >of SOME proponents of that religion acting like chauvinistic twats, and =
some
> >feeling any women outside of their religion can be treated as nothing mo=
re
> >than sexual objects? Or is that cultural and nothing to do with Islam? I
> >don't know.
>
> I would think that culture definitly plays a role. There are other
> male chauvinist cultures that regard women as objects besides Islam.

I'm yet to be convinced that Islam dictates that women are object (at
least, any more than eg.. Catholicism of Judaism)

> Within such a cultural context it is possible that rape statistics are
> low simply because what we would regard as rape is just not recognised
> as rape or simply considered by victims to be not worth reporting.

Have you examined, for example, rates of rape in Catholic countries?

> If large numbers of men from such cultures were put down in the middle of
> Western Europe, as has happened with Islam, you might very well start
> seeing the sort of things in regard to rape that are now being
> reported.

Hence the Italians showing up in the top 5?

>
> >> But I don't see how suspecting that a lunatic misogynist superstition
> >> might be creating a perverted mind set that spills over into action in
> >> a small but disproportunate number of followers of that superstition
> >> can be considered racist.
> >I don't see how the above can be considered racist either. I'm not sure =
it's
> >a wholly fair description of Islam - a lunatic fringe of it, that like m=
ost
> >religious lunatic fringes seems to miss the central point, maybe.
>
> I think it is tolerant Muslims who are missing the central point of
> Mohammeds Message.

I see. I think you're wrong, by the way, but I see.

>
> But I do think it is likely that men brought up inside an intolerant,
> male chauvinist culture that represses women and mandates what they
> should be like and how they should behave would show up in
> disproportunatly large numbers in sexual offences statistics when
> placed inside a liberal, secular culture where women are free, equal
> individuals and who, in their eyes, look like painted, unbelieving
> whores shamelessly flashing everything they have for anybody to grab.

Sounds like you're on about the Italians again...



>
> >> Svenne
> >Interesting nick ;.)
>
> Jo, man kan vara vem man vill p=E5 internet.

Indeed. You're clearly not a Svenne though :-)

(you missed a definite-article mutation. "N=E4tet" woudl have been more
convincing..)

>
> Svenne =20